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A Fandom's Influence over its Television Series

Explore the extent to which fandoms influence the progression of the television show they are associated with. The show "Doctor Who" comes to mind particularly, especially in terms of the episodes that feature more than one incarnation of the Doctor working together. This can be seen as an appeal to what the fan base would want to see, though the producers are able to fold it into the internal logic of the "Doctor Who" Universe. This article might also explore the motivation for shows like "Doctor Who" to incorporate popular aspects of their fandoms into the show.

  • This seems like it could be a really interesting topic to discuss. There's definitely merits and pitfalls to incorporating a ton of fan feedback into the show, in that it can often satisfy people through "fanservice" but may come at the expense of the overall structure or vision of the creators. Doctor Who is a great example, and definitely has a major place in the discussion. – Null 9 years ago
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  • I can think of several instances where a few friends were turned off from a show because of its fandom (ex. the aforementioned Doctor Who, Steven Universe, and the Sherlock BBC series). While it is nice to see a writer take inspiration from fans, it comes with the sacrifice of appealing to those who are new to the show and aren't part of the fandom. I would be interested to see the complications that new viewers would experience when particularly "odd" fan-catering moments appear in a series. – Filippo 9 years ago
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  • As some folks have already said, this is a very real occurrence, one worth discussing. In many shows, one can see the influence of the fans creeping in. The writers don't always take the bait, and especially recently, many shows like Breaking Bad have chosen to make compelling stories instead the easy route (Skyler learns to love Walt, they work together and live happily ever after.) Decent shows know that the easy, disney-like scenario is not the way it is in real life. I remember when House, M.D. was on (full disclaimer: that was my favorite show) the fans wishes definitely crept in sometimes. The folks wishing for Cuddy and House to have a relationship did indeed get their wish, but to the writers credit, it didn't last. That may not have been what the shippers wanted but it was the right way to go. It would've been completely against type for House to suddenly become dependable and a rock. Also, it wouldn't have made sense for Cuddy to say fuck it and be with House as he was. It just doesn't work. Other shows demonstrate a little more influence from the fans and it's worth discussing. Just the debate that exists over whether this influence helps or hurts TV would be amazing to read! – mss40 9 years ago
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  • Fandoms play a HUGE roles. Many shows have been saved from being cancelled based solely on their fan bases. For example, Chuck. It was on NBC and never really did well in the ratings department. And just about every season they were in danger of being cancelled, but the fans (and Subway) helped to rescue it. Another instance of Fandoms having an influence over a TV series is Veronica Mars. They raised enough money to make a movie. Fandoms could ultimately decide the fate of a show. Having a small yet powerful fandom, I think, is incredibly powerful. – diehlsam 9 years ago
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Things Carnal and Bloody: The Appeal of the "Lower Pleasures"

It seems that in many television series produced for mature audiences, there is an abundance of explicitness, whether it be in gory violence or raunchy romance. Especially in HBO shows such as Game of Thrones, True Detective, and Rome, all of these rather "carnal" appeals almost dominate the shows. It is almost as if these themes are what define these series. What is it about such adult themes that makes these shows popular? Do they take away from the show's overall message? Are there shows that don't even seem to have a message beyond explicitness for entertainment?

  • For other possible examples, Spartacus is another show with a large amount of explicit violence and sex. – Emily Deibler 9 years ago
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  • It may also be worth noting the background for those examples you have noted, such as Game of Thrones being based from the books, and observe other elements that indicate where the interest from the audience has been focused. – N.D. Storlid 9 years ago
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Keeping Fear to a Minimum in an Age of Popularized Violence

There's violence everywhere these days, but it seems most prevalent when it comes to real incidents that are later broadcasted or written about on loop. Anything from random muggings to mass shootings winds up disseminated on every major, and many minor, news sources, which not only makes viewers increasingly anxious, but may inspire copycat attacks by appearing to glorify them. However, few sources will avoid these stories because they're popular and attract more viewers.

What can we do to mitigate this cycle without ignoring the news entirely? While we should know about such incidents, should we change the story, i.e. stop focusing on the criminal and focus more on the victims/aftermath? And, how do we explain violence in a way that doesn't leave the more vulnerable of our population, like children, afraid that something will happen to them as well?

  • To mitigate fear, I think that it's necessary to emphasize hope. Without hope we cannot anticipate possibility for change, regardless of the situation. Under absolutely no circumstances should a story ever be changed just to make people feel better. Different versions of the same story leads to incorrect information being spread, which can be dangerous in forming people's opinions. Concerning explaining this type of news to our children, we have to emphasize hope here as well. Any child could be the right person that successfully ends some facet of the horrific society we live in today if they are given the right push. – sarahj31996 9 years ago
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Love and Marriage in Japan

In Japan, the ideologies behind "love" are a little different than that of the United States. Through television and film – which are the primary sources of information on both cultures, outside of individual research – How is the culture and moral beliefs portrayed in affect to how people view "love" in either country? And how does that affect marriages? How do the customs of each country delegate the reasons behind marriage, and does that affect the ideologies behind "love"? Is there a difference between what is being portrayed through the media and what is true to the culture?

  • This would be quite an interesting topic. The author would have to do a lot of research to understand the concept of love in a different country! They could also talk about how we, as Americans, view their habits of relationships, and how we interpret Japanese love in our literature or films – carleydauria 9 years ago
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  • It will also be interesting to see how such cultural practices differ between those living in Japan and Japanese-Americans. Miki Crawford has written an interesting book on Japanese war brides in America; for those who might be interested in writing about this topic. – aferozan 9 years ago
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  • There is a lot of literature out there that chronicles the switch in emphasis in western culture from marriage as an economic union, to a 'love match' – louisestupar 9 years ago
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How Historically Accurate is the Viking Series?

In the recent decades, the History channel, as well as other networks have shown great interest in brining major historical characters or events to TV screens. Vikings, an Iris-Canadian historical drama has gained popularity since its premier in 2013. We get a contrary image of the vikings, unusual to the brutal, and "savage" warriors . While brutality and war is a dominant feature of the series, we also get a glimpse of loyalty, honour, compassion and of strong females who occupy significant roles in the storyline. To what extent are these images representative of a true viking culture? What historical events can we detect that are somewhat accurate?

  • I have seen some elaboration of this in come Wikipedia citations from historians in that field. Also, I can say from looking at the history that the chronology is modified, and certain details of the chronology of Ragnar Lodbruck are unmentioned in "Vikings", or at least not covered yet. – JDJankowski 9 years ago
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  • I'm a huge fan of this series and I read some great interviews with the writer Michael Hirst who is an academic and researches heavily before writing. Perhaps you would be interested in reading a bit about his process. http://www.scriptmag.com/features/vikings-michael-hirst-writing-tv-series-solo-critics-historical-accuracy http://www.medievalists.net/2015/02/19/qa-michael-hirst-creator-writer-vikings/ – louisestupar 9 years ago
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  • It is highly encouraged for those getting involved in this topic to research the historical equivalent of the Vikings, the Normans and Danes of the 10th and 11th Century. They were exceptionally known as warriors, and would partake in the Norman invasion of Britain when the various kingdoms had occupied the country. They would of course conquer most of the territory, except Wessex, the Anglo-Saxons, and they would eventually form together long after the initial invasion of the land. This is where you will gain your material in research of this topic, and better understand the history of the Viking image. – N.D. Storlid 9 years ago
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The Mary Tyler Moore Show and the 1970s

Analyse how the transformation of the United States during the 1970s affected the world of the Mary Tyler Moore Show. These changes can be cultural, such as Mary discovering that her male predecessor in her producer job made more money than she did, Lou's divorce from his wife, and Lou's one-night stand with Sue Ann. But these changes can also be economic, such as Phyllis making cutbacks in the household, and gaining employment (in addition to her housewife duties) due to inflation. These angles are examples of what can be used in an article.

  • One interesting angle to explore this topic with would be to look at the ideas of femininity and masculinity and how postmodern American politics pertaining to gender shaped these types of TV shows. Of course these policies impacted the show's content as well as Moore's own personal and professional life as a woman. – aferozan 9 years ago
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  • This is a great topic; one that I would definitely be interested in writing perhaps myself. As Aferozan mentioned, it would definitely be advantageous to look at the ideas of femininity and masculinity. Originally, Mary Richards was supposed to be moving because of a divorce, but producers were afraid that it would appear that she was divorcing Dick Van Dyke (Rob Petrie) from The Dick Van Dyke Show; as such, they had Mary leaving town because of a boyfriend. That in itself is interesting when concerned with masculinity and femininity, and it's odd to think that people would not be able to differentiate Laura Petrie from Mary Richards. As The Mary Tyler Moore Show progressed, it definitely dealt with cultural issues of the time - Mary was a single woman who had boyfriends and stayed the night with them on occasion; the show dealt with equal pay for women, homosexuality, and addiction, to name a few. It was definitely snuggled appropriately with other groundbreaking series of the 1970's like "All in the Family", "Maude", "Good Times", etc. I would love to see this topic written about, and will keep my eye on it. If it isn't grabbed, I would love to take it. :) Great idea! – Douglas 9 years ago
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  • A sad, ironic comment related to this topic is that while MTM's efforts way-back-when supported freedom for women, she succumbed to cosmetic surgery - which I believe are fueled by sexist expectations pressuring women (often by women) - and now looks awful. – Tigey 8 years ago
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Burn out or Fade Away? Television, Entitlement and Proper Endings

In 2003, Joss Whedon's Firefly was cancelled by Fox. The show was witty, original and would retroactively become beloved. The show became a cultural signpost for the idea that fans could "save" a show and the browncoat movement was born, eventually pushing an excellent and satisfying move into production. Jump to 2006 and fans of the cancelled show "Jericho" sent 9 tons of peanuts to CBS offices in protest to the show's looming cancellation. (It made sense in context, honest.) Later, Netflix briefly revives Arrested Development. Later still, Yahoo "saved" Community so it could get its shot at "six seasons and a movie". As the internet improves fans' ability to communicate directly with the creators and distributors, and as those fans get more savvy with their methods, the power of deciding "what's on" is more and more in the hands of the viewer.

But is this always a good thing?

Would Firefly be as beloved if it had continued another 3 seasons? Does Community still work without Donald Glover? As televisions fans gain more power and direct control over their favourite shows, are we not also becoming more responsible for the tough decisions? And ultimately, who has control over when a series ends? The fans who love it, embrace it and for whom it was ultimately for? Or the creators whose blood, sweat and tears are the creative juice that made it so good in the first place?

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    Steven Moffat the sexist: The Whovian Dilemma

    Steven Moffat, the writer for Doctor Who since 2010, has said horrible things about the female fan base of this show, and Sherlock, which he co-created, as well as detestable things about women in general. Highlights might include calling women "needy," calling actress Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) "wee and dumpy" and claiming that women only enjoy Sherlock because they are attracted to Benedict Cumberbatch. This is enough to enrage anyone, but does it affect the quality of his Doctor Who episodes when he dismisses the majority of his own fan base as boy-crazy, "needy" idiots.

    There has always been a sort of dismissal for anything in pop culture which attracts female viewership, (especially young female viewership), implying that girls don't know the difference between good and bad entertainment. As feminist scholar Stacy Wolf says, "Historicizing the devaluation of girls' tastes shows how categories of cultural worth are highly gendered." (Changed for Good, 222) Does this apply to Doctor Who since Moffat took over? This study would compare the quality of female characters on Doctor Who before and after Moffat and their overall impact on the quality of events.

    • I haven't personally read or seen any of Moffat's sexist remarks. Although that doesn't mean that I don't believe he said or meant them. If he's like this, I can believe it. However, only recently have I felt truly like his writing of female characters has shown it's true colors. When Russel T Davies was running Doctor Who, Rose Tyler was interesting, she had her cliched female moments and she could be rather self-centered, but she was fun and unique. Martha Jones wasn't much of a character for the most part. She was a tad vague and devoid of distinctive identity I felt. But then Donna Noble really shook things up and had a strong voice for a change. She also had no romantic interest in the Doctor, thank goodness. When Moffat did fully take over, Amy Pond was really really delightful, especially when she was eventually married to Rory and their companionship together took off apart from the Doctor: which had only happened once before (I believe), way back with the first Doctor. Then there was River Song on and off. She's been incredibly captivating and intriguing, especially when we finally get to see how she went from being Amy and Rory's daughter, to Amy and Rory's childhood friend, to the River Song we eventually know, and then up to when she has to kill the Doctor, after which we find her locked up in prison, randomly escaping to go on adventures throughout the 11th Doctor's run. Finally there's Clara Oswald. And after all of the ups and downs (minor ones) with the previous companions and characters, Clara is the one I was most disappointed in, because at first I really really loved her. She was spunky, she was steadfast, she was inquisitive, curious, and very very loyal, and she was also rather attractive to me personally. But her character just fell apart when the 12th Doctor came around. His transformation changed her, revealed her to be an incredibly shallow character, beyond the reasonable reaction of not knowing who or what this new Doctor was or was going to be compared to the last one. She also showed that she could be incredibly needy, selfish, and even demanding when it came to her relationship with the Doctor, when before she would have never acted that way. All of these observations and feelings have been confirmed and shared by many other fans as well. She just turned into such a unlikable person that by the end, I'm rather glad to see her finally go. I just wish it had been a tad sooner. So if anything, Clara's character at the moment the 8th series began is when I could tell something was screwy with Moffat's writing of female roles: when before it was only in small slightly awkward doses. I'm not sure who or what I expect for the next companion, but if anything, I'd appreciate another duo dynamic by bringing on both a male and a female companion, but more of a platonic pairing rather than a romantic one. I also believe Moffat is supposed to be leaving the show now, though he may have changed his mind recently. I don't know the exact details on that. – Jonathan Leiter 9 years ago
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